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Guyhesel
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posted 05-12-2005 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Guyhesel   Click Here to Email Guyhesel     Edit/Delete Message
HI

I was called by a sales person from a uk company called Network Interception Ltd. the company is marketing a "Lie Detector" system called the silent talker. It apparently studies facial movements whilst a person is asked questions. They are claiming 87% accuracy rates. In previous press releases they claim to be testing the system with police departments in the UK?, I cannot confirm if this is true but I would be surprised.

This system was apparently invented by a team at the Manchester Metropolitan University as part of a research study.

If anyone is interested in looking at the website it is at:
http://www.networkinterception.co.uk/

There is also an interview you can listen to on the site, which was taken from a BBC radio programme where the creator of the system gives some more info. It sounds un-convincing to me (as you guy's would say it is BS) but I was interested on your thoughts.

Has anyone got any comments?

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lielabs
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posted 05-12-2005 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lielabs   Click Here to Email lielabs     Edit/Delete Message
Paul Ekman actually came up with this idea a few years ago I think he has a cd you can download off the net explaining his research.

All of the stuff I have seen on this is theory and I doubt very much it would be practical in the real world and the validity of it is suspect.

The real advance we will be seeing is fmri lie detection. Scanning the brain while undergoing questioning has shown excellent results with metabolism in the brain increasing significantly when someone lies as opposed to telling the truth. Have a look at fmri research it is on the net that will be of interest.

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Barry C
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posted 05-12-2005 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
Paul Ekman's findings are well researched and accepted. He has found that certain facial expressions correspond with certain limited emotions - regardless of one's culture or background. He teaches people how to recognize emotions via facial expressions. His CDs, which I have and think everybody should get, teach you how to recognize facial expressions and what are known as micro-expressions.

What Ekman says (in short) is that the emotion one is feeling makes it to the face before a person even realizes what he is feeling. Once a person realizes his expressions (non-verbal behavior) is leaking out, he quickly takes control of it and stops the full expression or masks it, usually with a smile. The "leaks" last only a 1/5 to 1/25th of a second.

What Ekman looks for is an incongruity in what one is claiming and what one's facial expressions - which are more reliable - are saying. Any difference is viewed as suspect and in need of further inquiry.

He also looks at other micro-expressions, such as shoulder shrugs, as indicators of a lack of committment. (What you see is a slight lift of one shoulder in a fraction of a second - the start of the "I don't know" or "I'm feeling helpless" expression.)

I was suspect at first, but with one CD you can learn to identify the micro-facial expressions in about an hour, so it doesn't take long. He's been teaching law enforcement for years, and they go from chance to about 85% accuracy in a short time.

For a really good explaination, read his very inexpensive book, "Telling Lies: Clues to Deceit in the Marketplace, Politics, and Marriage." His new book, "Emotions Revealed" is also good.

Here's his web page:
http://www.paulekman.com/

As you can see, I think very highly of Paul and his work.

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Barry C
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posted 05-12-2005 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barry C   Click Here to Email Barry C     Edit/Delete Message
I checked out the website, and I'm suspicious to say the least. It refers to micro-gestures, which means things like shrugs. I can't imagine any type of instrument that could recognize the difference between a micro-shrug and any other slight movement. Secondly, such info is meaningless without a person there to input - at the time of the micro-gesture - how the gesture leaks something contrary to what is being presented.

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